HAHA- awesome, I might wanna pick on somethin thats my own size huh- haha

 

Z06, sorry. I do not beleive you for a second. A stock fox ran in the 14s, while even the 1ga stealth/3k ran low 14s, the 1gb and mid 13s. As for from a stop, the awd would kill a fox. I had a 12 second talon that would slay cars much faster than me, light to light due to AWD.
Anyway, no 3000GTs all had 3.0 V6 motors. 3.0 = 3000gt. 6g72s.
A 1.8t A4, or V6 would easily pull a base, but not a VR4. VR4s, while they are pigs, can easily be lightend with very little work.

 

Believe what you want, I don't care. But WTF would I go and make up such a story? I said I should have lost. Maybe you are unaware, but "14s" and"low 14s" as you put it, is not very far off. And driving has a LOT to do with who wins and who loses on the street, strip, and track. It can be far more than the difference between "14s" and "low 14s." This was a long time ago but I remember it well. He drove like an absolute maniac to get position next to me at the light. I was ready and treed him when it went green. He couldn't catch me and that suprised me and made my day.

It's beside the point, but theVR-4 is anything impressive. It's a tank and when it's modified making big power, it's a completely unreliable, finicky, fragile tank. Mitsubishi only has one car worth bragging about and the 3000GT isn't it. Sorry.

 

Z06,
yes, I know the 14s does not set it far apart. Quite simply, most stoplight to light races are less than a 1/4, and zero to 60 wise, the VR4 would be faster because of the no wheelspin factor. I had a SN95 Mustang, and loved it.... But it did not perform near a VR4 down low.
The whole thing about a 3000gt being finicky when built..... If you are going to make a statement like that, back it up, please. What do you know about the 6g72 motor, or the car? I can debate this for hours, because I KNOW your knowledge is lacking my level on this subject.
The 6g72 is anything but finicky when built, the factory internals are good for 600+ hp, and has been proven time and time again. They are rock solid, and contrary to popular belief, even the Getrag 6 speed in the 94+ 1gB cars were quite solid.
Time for a little VR4 101, since you seen to beleive in myths, and everything you read on the net.
The older 1Ga cars had more "fragile" rear ends, and more strong trannys. The rear end was still good for around 450, but wouldnt hold that all day. Simple problem, most owners swap to a 1gb 4 bolt iron rear.
The 1gB 94 up cars got the "iron pig" rear diff, which was a beast. The getrag 6 speed was added, and was thought to be fragile. A simple change of trans grease, and people have laid down over 700 through them no problems. And with gearing for over 210mph, they are awesome.
They hold up surprisingly well for a built car, www.3si.org or www.3s.org or simply go to www.dynamicracing.com and read about Matt Monnet, with a proven setup for over 215mph on a street setup, mid 9 second quarters, pump gas, street tire, and it IS DAILY DRIVEN, and only has a gutted rear. There are many more people like this, if you would like more proof.
With simple upgrades, the 3/s can be lightend quite a bit. For example, the stock steel hood weighed 72lbs, while a VIS CF weighs 15..... This car used many steel panels, while competitors pushed aluminum and fiberglass. There are many street prepped 3/s cars weighing in at 3k or less pounds, with a full tank of gas.
The 3000gt is quite a car to be proud of, please prove me wrong otherwise, unless based on simple opinion.
I can beleive you beat one stock to stock I suppose, but I would guess the other driver cannot launch a AWD worth a crap.

 

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Did you actually think anyone would read all of that? Anyway, I'm glad you were able to admit that I was right. I have read pleny of testimony from former VR4 owners. There is a lot more that goes wrong with those cars than the basic engine internals, trans, and diff. All beside the point anyway. Any pos can be fast with tons of mods and money and the VR4 needs both. So why is it impressive again? BTW, I owned an SN95 too. I hated it. It was slower, clumbsier, and heavier than my fox.

 

Great evidence to shoot down my claims. If you want to carry an ongoing debate, please back it up with something that resembles a factual statement, and not a rambling statement that means not a damn thing.
Any POS can be fast huh. Agreed. It is one thing when a few of them do it, not when a whole ton of them do it.
Funny, as a past VR4 owner, I cannot say anything bad about them, or the people I hung with.
Once again, mr V8 god, why are you on a Audi forum?
I have not seen a single post in any of these little pissing matches that resemebles anything that is a factual statement, rather an opinion that a 4 yr old could peiece togther with down syndrome.

 

Your claim: My VR4 kill story was made up.


My evidence that shoots down your claim: "I know the 14s does not set it far apart...I can beleive you beat one stock to stock I suppose, but I would guess the other driver cannot launch a AWD worth a crap." -mattsaudi90

Your claim: "The 3000gt is quite a car to be proud of"

My evidence that shoots down your claim: "Any pos can be fast with tons of mods and money and the VR4 needs both." -me

"Any POS can be fast huh. Agreed. It is one thing when a few of them do it, not when a whole ton of them do it." -mattsaudi90

Great! Since we all know truley fast VR4s are very, very rare, then we can agree it doesn't matter.

 

Truly rare? HAHA
Funny, every year I go to the shootout, there seems to be an abundance of them...
I never said your story was made up, I said I DID NOT BELEIVE YOU. I could very well be wrong. I was not there, as I said. Any my point holds true, you said you raced him from a light. Very little is a light a quarter mile away. From a dig a AWD will prevail to a 2wd, usualy. Hell, a FWD TSi will actualy outrun a AWD on the road, when it catches up pace to make up for less weight, and less parastitic drivetrain loss due to AWD.
From a dig awd will be faster. There are AWD 3kgts, and TSis cutting 1.7 and better 60fts with just lower air pressures, and minor gutting. Lets see you do that in any RWD without a badass tire setup, let alone stock.

 

You just don't get it do you? I said I treed him and he couldn't catch me. You think everyone knows how to launch a VR4? You think even more than half of your average D-bag street racers can? Probably not. I bet it bogs like a b!tch if you don't do it right, doesn't it? You see an abundance of high HP VR4s? Riiiiiiiight. Like anyone is going to believe that. I've seen zero in person.

 

Good for you, go to an import specific race. I could give 2 tea bags less who belelives me. Do I know anyone here? No. I go to the races specific to mitsus, I see them lay the times. Dont try and tell me I dont, that is just stupid.
I finnaly agree. Yes, not everyone can launch. And yes, it bogs likea SOB if you do not know how to do it. Finnaly, you post something intelligent. Why not do that from the start?