Rumsfeld FIRED
#81
11-13-2006, 06:53 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: Palindari
Some see the Iraq war as American colonization - seems like what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander...
Some see the Iraq war as American colonization - seems like what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander...
How many lives will be saved in the coming decades if the US says that Islamic terrorists never get to win $hit and all they get to do is die? I would argue that many lives will be spared as a result of that plan over some "We should leave because it's really their country and they should be allowed to act like total f*cking savages if they want to" strategy. That's no strategy at all. That's simply giving up on the millions of Iraqis that don't want to live in just another Muslim fanatic $hithole of a country run by losers that are robbing the people blind and killing innocents at will due to what tribe they come from or some other bs reason.
Why abandon those people to a bunch of Islamic terrorists? Because Democrats say that it is too hard? Because election exit polls show that war is unpopular? That's no way to win anything.
How many US soldiers died on D-Day? The press today would call it an unprecedented disaster. The Democrats would call for the dismissal of the Defense Sect and then start impeachment proceedings while calling the president "incompetent" every time a mic got within 10ft of them. Then it would be suggested that the US can't really win the war and so we should stop trying and get out. When did the Democrats and the press become so short sighted? I guess it was during Vietnam and they haven't gotten over all that dope they smoked yet. I wish Allah would give the Islamic terrorists the same attitude as US Democrats, so they would decide that "Oh, this is too hard. Look at this video footage of our guys being shot at. We should probably fold up our tents and just give up."
Maybe we could get John Kerry to run for president of Al Qaeda and that would immediately turn them into ***** quitters.
#82
11-13-2006, 06:53 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: Palindari
As for what can we do? Everything we can to protect our borders and contain the borders of countries that harbor or fuel such terrorist activities. Create crack teams to infiltrate and expose and in some cases, destroy such organizations where ever they hide with help of the UN - whether this will be a CIA or military endeavor is anyone's guess. This can be far more economical both in money and human resources to do than all out war.
As for what can we do? Everything we can to protect our borders and contain the borders of countries that harbor or fuel such terrorist activities. Create crack teams to infiltrate and expose and in some cases, destroy such organizations where ever they hide with help of the UN - whether this will be a CIA or military endeavor is anyone's guess. This can be far more economical both in money and human resources to do than all out war.
Here's the ironic thing, mate - just last night I caught one of the national Christian networks advertising how they are linked into over 100 satelites to broadcast the gospel into every corner of the globe. How would you feel as a Christian to start seeing Islamic stations cropping up on your sets telling you that Jesus is just a false prophet and not the son of God? Because that's essentially what we are doing to them - right or wrong. Every Christian feels that the Holy Bible is gospel and will protect those beliefs (some to the death - look at those nuts that bomb abortion clinics) - why would those that follow the Koran be any different?
#83
11-13-2006, 07:08 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race, and to sit there and call it a "$hithole sandpile" is not only ignorant, but I'm sure it would anger quite a few people. Being Iraqi myself, I know quite a few Iraqis (not even Arabs or Muslims, but Christian minorities, but it's not like any typical ignorant American knows there are Christians over there) that would most likely give you at least a severe beating for talking about thier country like that. You claim that we should kill people until they stop acting like how they were acting, giving your example of the Germans and Japanese. If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
Bottom line is, yes Saddam Hussien was a tyranical dictator, but he was exactly the kind of leader that kept these religious extremists in line. But he was hardly the kind of world wide threat that George Bush and the rest of his administration suckered the people of this country into believing. All this time we were supposed to go into Iran and we're busy fighting a war in the wrong country and doing nothing but making it worse than it already was.
Bottom line is, yes Saddam Hussien was a tyranical dictator, but he was exactly the kind of leader that kept these religious extremists in line. But he was hardly the kind of world wide threat that George Bush and the rest of his administration suckered the people of this country into believing. All this time we were supposed to go into Iran and we're busy fighting a war in the wrong country and doing nothing but making it worse than it already was.
ORIGINAL: pturbo
That is a silly position. We don't want their $hithole sandpile or even their oil. If we really wanted it, then it would be ours and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. We are playing very nice and trying to set up what all Arabs seem incapable of doing - something besides a total dictatorship that is anti-Semitic and Islamo-crazy - aka Muslim *****. You can't just say "That's the way they are and we can't tell them what to do." If we weren't going to make them change, then why did we bother going there in the first place? If people are total f*ck-ups then it is ok to force them to change. We've done it before and the world is a better place for it. The Germans and Japanese were "the way they were" and we killed them until they stopped being that way. That is harsh, but it was a very good thing. How many net lives were saved over the past 6 decades as a result of our imposing our will upon them? Countless millions.
How many lives will be saved in the coming decades if the US says that Islamic terrorists never get to win $hit and all they get to do is die? I would argue that many lives will be spared as a result of that plan over some "We should leave because it's really their country and they should be allowed to act like total f*cking savages if they want to" strategy. That's no strategy at all. That's simply giving up on the millions of Iraqis that don't want to live in just another Muslim fanatic $hithole of a country run by losers that are robbing the people blind and killing innocents at will due to what tribe they come from or some other bs reason.
Why abandon those people to a bunch of Islamic terrorists? Because Democrats say that it is too hard? Because election exit polls show that war is unpopular? That's no way to win anything.
How many US soldiers died on D-Day? The press today would call it an unprecedented disaster. The Democrats would call for the dismissal of the Defense Sect and then start impeachment proceedings while calling the president "incompetent" every time a mic got within 10ft of them. Then it would be suggested that the US can't really win the war and so we should stop trying and get out. When did the Democrats and the press become so short sighted? I guess it was during Vietnam and they haven't gotten over all that dope they smoked yet. I wish Allah would give the Islamic terrorists the same attitude as US Democrats, so they would decide that "Oh, this is too hard. Look at this video footage of our guys being shot at. We should probably fold up our tents and just give up."
Maybe we could get John Kerry to run for president of Al Qaeda and that would immediately turn them into ***** quitters.
ORIGINAL: Palindari
Some see the Iraq war as American colonization - seems like what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander...
Some see the Iraq war as American colonization - seems like what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander...
How many lives will be saved in the coming decades if the US says that Islamic terrorists never get to win $hit and all they get to do is die? I would argue that many lives will be spared as a result of that plan over some "We should leave because it's really their country and they should be allowed to act like total f*cking savages if they want to" strategy. That's no strategy at all. That's simply giving up on the millions of Iraqis that don't want to live in just another Muslim fanatic $hithole of a country run by losers that are robbing the people blind and killing innocents at will due to what tribe they come from or some other bs reason.
Why abandon those people to a bunch of Islamic terrorists? Because Democrats say that it is too hard? Because election exit polls show that war is unpopular? That's no way to win anything.
How many US soldiers died on D-Day? The press today would call it an unprecedented disaster. The Democrats would call for the dismissal of the Defense Sect and then start impeachment proceedings while calling the president "incompetent" every time a mic got within 10ft of them. Then it would be suggested that the US can't really win the war and so we should stop trying and get out. When did the Democrats and the press become so short sighted? I guess it was during Vietnam and they haven't gotten over all that dope they smoked yet. I wish Allah would give the Islamic terrorists the same attitude as US Democrats, so they would decide that "Oh, this is too hard. Look at this video footage of our guys being shot at. We should probably fold up our tents and just give up."
Maybe we could get John Kerry to run for president of Al Qaeda and that would immediately turn them into ***** quitters.
#84
11-13-2006, 07:24 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: IHATEAMG
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race, and to sit there and call it a "$hithole sandpile" is not only ignorant, but I'm sure it would anger quite a few people. Being Iraqi myself, I know quite a few Iraqis (not even Arabs or Muslims, but Christian minorities, but it's not like any typical ignorant American knows there are Christians over there) that would most likely give you at least a severe beating for talking about thier country like that. You claim that we should kill people until they stop acting like how they were acting, giving your example of the Germans and Japanese. If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
Bottom line is, yes Saddam Hussien was a tyranical dictator, but he was exactly the kind of leader that kept these religious extremists in line. But he was hardly the kind of world wide threat that George Bush and the rest of his administration suckered the people of this country into believing. All this time we were supposed to go into Iran and we're busy fighting a war in the wrong country and doing nothing but making it worse than it already was.
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race, and to sit there and call it a "$hithole sandpile" is not only ignorant, but I'm sure it would anger quite a few people. Being Iraqi myself, I know quite a few Iraqis (not even Arabs or Muslims, but Christian minorities, but it's not like any typical ignorant American knows there are Christians over there) that would most likely give you at least a severe beating for talking about thier country like that. You claim that we should kill people until they stop acting like how they were acting, giving your example of the Germans and Japanese. If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
Bottom line is, yes Saddam Hussien was a tyranical dictator, but he was exactly the kind of leader that kept these religious extremists in line. But he was hardly the kind of world wide threat that George Bush and the rest of his administration suckered the people of this country into believing. All this time we were supposed to go into Iran and we're busy fighting a war in the wrong country and doing nothing but making it worse than it already was.
2nd. it is a sh1thole sandpile. since your iraqi u should know this.
3rd. calling pturbo a typical ignorant american just shows how ignorant you actually are.
4th. he suggested killing the poeple who are a threat to us. not just a group of people just cause their beliefs are different from ours.
5th. ah *** it im not even gona bother, class is ending. peace out
#85
11-13-2006, 07:30 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: IHATEAMG
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race,
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race,
My comment about it being a "$hithole country" probably wasn't the best thing to say, but I was trying to make the point that Iraq is not some prize jewel that the US wants to hold on to. We want out ASAP. We don't want a colony. World events and concerns for our national security brought us there. If Iraqis would drop their tribal mindset and come out and 100% reject Islamic terrorists and flush them out into the streets, then they will have finally done the right thing and the US will then leave so fast you won't even see our dust.
ORIGINAL: IHATEAMG
If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
#86
11-13-2006, 07:48 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: chaos92287
1st. try and prove iraq gave birth to the human race. you cant so u shoudn't make such claims.
2nd. it is a sh1thole sandpile. since your iraqi u should know this.
3rd. calling pturbo a typical ignorant american just shows how ignorant you actually are.
4th. he suggested killing the poeple who are a threat to us. not just a group of people just cause their beliefs are different from ours.
5th. ah *** it im not even gona bother, class is ending. peace out
ORIGINAL: IHATEAMG
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race, and to sit there and call it a "$hithole sandpile" is not only ignorant, but I'm sure it would anger quite a few people. Being Iraqi myself, I know quite a few Iraqis (not even Arabs or Muslims, but Christian minorities, but it's not like any typical ignorant American knows there are Christians over there) that would most likely give you at least a severe beating for talking about thier country like that. You claim that we should kill people until they stop acting like how they were acting, giving your example of the Germans and Japanese. If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
Bottom line is, yes Saddam Hussien was a tyranical dictator, but he was exactly the kind of leader that kept these religious extremists in line. But he was hardly the kind of world wide threat that George Bush and the rest of his administration suckered the people of this country into believing. All this time we were supposed to go into Iran and we're busy fighting a war in the wrong country and doing nothing but making it worse than it already was.
First of all, Iraq is the cradle of civilazation, it gave birth to the human race, and to sit there and call it a "$hithole sandpile" is not only ignorant, but I'm sure it would anger quite a few people. Being Iraqi myself, I know quite a few Iraqis (not even Arabs or Muslims, but Christian minorities, but it's not like any typical ignorant American knows there are Christians over there) that would most likely give you at least a severe beating for talking about thier country like that. You claim that we should kill people until they stop acting like how they were acting, giving your example of the Germans and Japanese. If that's your analogy, why not just leave Saddam Hussien in power? He was killing religious extremists and militants as much as George Bush is doing now, if not more.
Bottom line is, yes Saddam Hussien was a tyranical dictator, but he was exactly the kind of leader that kept these religious extremists in line. But he was hardly the kind of world wide threat that George Bush and the rest of his administration suckered the people of this country into believing. All this time we were supposed to go into Iran and we're busy fighting a war in the wrong country and doing nothing but making it worse than it already was.
2nd. it is a sh1thole sandpile. since your iraqi u should know this.
3rd. calling pturbo a typical ignorant american just shows how ignorant you actually are.
4th. he suggested killing the poeple who are a threat to us. not just a group of people just cause their beliefs are different from ours.
5th. ah *** it im not even gona bother, class is ending. peace out
http://killeenroos.com/1/mesodata.htm
http://www.h-net.org/~museum/iraq.html
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/The%20...ilization.html
http://arabic-media.com/iraq_history.htm
http://coc.apolyton.net/ishtar/index.shtml
I wasn't disagreeing with anything he said. Saddam was killing the people who were trying to threaten him, which happen to be the same people that are threatening us. I think you should spend a litlle extra time in class.
#87
11-13-2006, 08:12 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: pturbo
That is a silly position. We don't want their $hithole sandpile or even their oil. If we really wanted it, then it would be ours and there would be nothing anyone could do about it.
That is a silly position. We don't want their $hithole sandpile or even their oil. If we really wanted it, then it would be ours and there would be nothing anyone could do about it.
ORIGINAL: pturbo
We are playing very nice and trying to set up what all Arabs seem incapable of doing - something besides a total dictatorship that is anti-Semitic and Islamo-crazy - aka Muslim *****. You can't just say "That's the way they are and we can't tell them what to do." If we weren't going to make them change, then why did we bother going there in the first place? If people are total f*ck-ups then it is ok to force them to change. We've done it before and the world is a better place for it. The Germans and Japanese were "the way they were" and we killed them until they stopped being that way. That is harsh, but it was a very good thing. How many net lives were saved over the past 6 decades as a result of our imposing our will upon them? Countless millions.
We are playing very nice and trying to set up what all Arabs seem incapable of doing - something besides a total dictatorship that is anti-Semitic and Islamo-crazy - aka Muslim *****. You can't just say "That's the way they are and we can't tell them what to do." If we weren't going to make them change, then why did we bother going there in the first place? If people are total f*ck-ups then it is ok to force them to change. We've done it before and the world is a better place for it. The Germans and Japanese were "the way they were" and we killed them until they stopped being that way. That is harsh, but it was a very good thing. How many net lives were saved over the past 6 decades as a result of our imposing our will upon them? Countless millions.
Perhaps you'll find more fuel to your argument here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
But enjoy your time on the freeways of America, mate - I'm off to the coast and the beach house
#88
11-13-2006, 08:15 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: pturbo
We are playing very nice and trying to set up what all Arabs seem incapable of doing
ORIGINAL: Palindari
Some see the Iraq war as American colonization - seems like what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander...
Some see the Iraq war as American colonization - seems like what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander...
#89
11-13-2006, 08:31 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: IHATEAMG
And not all arabs are muslims.
And not all arabs are muslims.
#90
11-13-2006, 08:40 PM
RE: Rumsfeld FIRED
ORIGINAL: Palindari
Funny, mate, that was Hitler's stance as well when concessions were not made. Just go take it if he wanted it. The "Might makes right." slogan is a fool's credo... history proves this time and again.
Funny, mate, that was Hitler's stance as well when concessions were not made. Just go take it if he wanted it. The "Might makes right." slogan is a fool's credo... history proves this time and again.
ORIGINAL: Palindari
And that sort of complete lack of respect proves that this is no longer a friendly exchange or debate...
And that sort of complete lack of respect proves that this is no longer a friendly exchange or debate...
ORIGINAL: Palindari
As for not wanting the oil - I can list way too many resources - but Haliburton came into the country shortly after Baghdad was taken and got the oil running again well before even electricity and water was restored to most of the nation.
As for not wanting the oil - I can list way too many resources - but Haliburton came into the country shortly after Baghdad was taken and got the oil running again well before even electricity and water was restored to most of the nation.
Anyway, no hard feelings. I was just throwing my opinion out there.