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Old 10-27-2008, 05:30 PM
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Like Obama didn't choose poorly? Biden couldn't get the Presidential nomination from his own party if he paid them, has one of the biggest mouths on earth, and was previously for the Iraq war until he got tapped by Obama for VP. Biden is wrong about Obama. Putting Biden in office will start an internation crisis.
 
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:02 PM
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Pssshh... Biden is not nearly as much of a threat and could never tarnish America's image more than Cheney has and Palin would more than likely do/has done. Why do people get all excited when a politician changes their opinion? Biden is only human. His change of opinion reflects how the majority of american's opinions changed with respect to Iraq over the years. He is very transparent unlike Bush/Cheney and McCain/Pain. The republicans believe in doing anything and spending any amount of money in order to somehow come out on top of a war that everyone knows was based on lies and selfish interests. They are propoganda machines with a stuborn vision. Sort of the same methodology that has doomed our economy for the time being.
 

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Old 10-27-2008, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by onepoint8tee
With less than 2 weeks to go until election day, she was under the impression that the VP is in charge of the senate. She's a decent motivational speaker, but not a lot more than that. Now that she is going through a rebelious period after being programed and protected from the media for so long, she is going to just look like a desperate motivational speaker. This state governor obviously has a greater handicap on domestic and foreign affairs when compared to basically any other potential vp pick. It was all about the hillary vote. McCain chose poorly.
Um... The VP is the deciding vote if it's needed.

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The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.
 
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:21 PM
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here's the funny thing - not until the 1930's did anyone actually want the job of VP. It was like political death. You did nothing but preside over the Senate. At one point the position was forced on some in the party to just get them out of the way... lol...
 
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:31 PM
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I'm so sick of hearing all the cries from the Democratic party that the tax system doesn't work and that the "wealth does not trickle-down".

WTF people!!!! Do you expect that wealth to just drop into your lap without the work?
The people in our country that are becoming wealthy are working for it.
 
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:06 AM
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^^ The sense of entitlement that people have now is ridiculous.

Too many people no longer want to work for anything.
 
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:16 AM
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^^ Couldn't agree more. It is ridiculous. My ex's father wanted to get fired so he could get unemployment; I wanted to slug him for thinking it was such a cool idea to take a chunk of my paycheck for doing nothing. Smug bastards......
 
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:06 AM
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I work retail, where we accept foodstamps, and the ebt cash system which is basically welfare money put on a debit card. i cant tell you how many people I see come in dressed nicer than I am, using food stamps to buy food, then leaving in their Escalade... it honestly disgusts me..

and on top of that, with the ebt cash they are allowed to buy something and get cash back.. the limit is $40 but it used to be $100... nothing bothers me more than seeing someone who is either a crackhead, or sure looks like one, come in and buy a pack of cigarettes and then have to hand them $100 in cash, all paid for by the government... money which could very easily be used to buy drugs or whatever else

It really bothers me that some people think that this is a "right" granted by being a US citizen. Im 19 years old and I realize the value of working hard for your own money, and it sickens me to think of all of the people that think that people who have legitimately worked hard to become wealthy should have to support people like the ones stated above.
 
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:28 AM
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Unfortunately I was 39 before I forced to collect unemployment (for the first and only time) and it was hard let me tell you.

But allow me a moment to explain a few fundamentals about some things.

First off, no billionaire got to be where there are without sacrifice - whether it be life or limb. And in most all cases not there own. Almost all companies that achieve great success comes at the price of others. Meaning essentially other companies had to falter and collapse so others may succeed... a capitalist Darwinism if you may...

Second, greed has no equal. It is said that necessity is the mother of invention. But it is greed that is the father that makes it thrive.

Third, free enterprise capitalism is a farce. Theory is that competition will drive down price (in some cases this may apply) but once competition is eliminated and one or two companies stand alone then greed takes hold and the theory of free enterprise becomes a sham.

There are some truths to this. Believe it or not and in a true society the best will rule out - but in truth that is not the case.

Now what does government have to do with this... everything and nothing.

If left to govern ourselves, you will find ourselves in the same times where kings and dukes owned and controlled the land... this has been proven throughout recorded time.

It wasn't until democracy and late socialism, that changed all that.

But let me get this straight. I am in no way shape or form a proponent of socialism. Democracy is the will of the people. Socialism is the people's will.

What does that mean? Look it up
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Socialism fails because the few matter more than the many. Capitalism is the reverse but they all come to the same ends.

In socialism, (read Animal Farm by George Orwell) the few that start a socialist movement stand above the rest. In a capitalist society, the greediest do the same. Only government can make that difference.

Currently our government has done a decent job in maintaining the status quo - but like all things it has been abused over time and become the thing that it is today. Not saying that share the wealth is a good thing, just saying that if you seem to benefit more than others in out current capitalistic society - perhaps you should pay more to keep it running....

We stand at a moment in time where this cannot be more true... A mixed breed son of a single mother has risen through the rank and file to achieve the highest position this country has. Unlike many before him, he will achieve what others have deemed unattainable.

Bill Clinton did it. Now Barrack Obama will do it as well.

That's the true American dream, ladies and gentlemen. There can be be no substitutes
 
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cassidyjr
and on top of that, with the ebt cash they are allowed to buy something and get cash back.. the limit is $40 but it used to be $100... nothing bothers me more than seeing someone who is either a crackhead, or sure looks like one, come in and buy a pack of cigarettes and then have to hand them $100 in cash, all paid for by the government... money which could very easily be used to buy drugs or whatever else
I'm with ya, Cassidy - I once worked at a 7/11 and saw the same thing - but like all things, greed works it's way both from the top down and mostly from the bottom up.

Greed is something, no matter what, we have to contend with...
 


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