View Poll Results: Obama or McCain?
Obama/Biden
58
56.86%
McCain/Palin
44
43.14%
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#221
10-26-2008, 11:41 PM
Dang, I never knew I would be racist based on who I thought would do a better job as the president. I guess I should sell my Audi because its from Germany.
...hahaaa that was the dumbest comment ever in history.... EVER.
(I will be voting McCain) - I don't believe in a democrasy.
...hahaaa that was the dumbest comment ever in history.... EVER.
(I will be voting McCain) - I don't believe in a democrasy.
#222
10-27-2008, 01:14 AM
where does it say that a President makes all the decisions? Every President has a cabinet and advisors - I'm curious to see who Obama surrounds himself with - that will be the "experience" you need.
In my first years in the Army there were scores of sergeants around that simply got promoted and got there due to "experience". That was BS they just waited around long enough to get promoted, but they were still rocks with lips.
Not to say McCain is one of those - far from it. But I get the sense that niether is Obama...
Secondly, foreign policy. This not the 1930s where the US can chart its own course alone. Interactions with other countries must be handled both to one's friends and partners, and with authority to others. The contrast between McCain's response and Obama's response over the Georgia gig is illuminating. McCain came out with a position straight away. Obama vaccilated for two days before, after three statements, basically coming to the same position as McCain had taken.
Sometimes other countires conflicts are not ours... talk about your socialist agenda. We are not the world police - the UN is the closest thing to that and it took a year to convince them to start the farce in Iraq.
Third, Iraq. It's not a matter of 'winning' and 'losing', and it's certainly got nothing to do if we should have gone in in the first place, it's now a matter of what sort of place we're leaving behind. A departure on our own schedule is about as caring towards the locals as our decision to invade the place. I won't say I made many Iraqi friends, but I got to know enough of them well enough that I think it would be immoral to just up and leave them to whatever comes. Certainly Petraeus was not exactly brimming with confidence after his meeting with Obama a couple of months ago in Iraq, and Obama's stated intents have been causing us no end of trouble in Iraq over the last year. You know how hard it is to get an Iraqi to trust you when he's watching CNN and the news is telling him that he could be making deals with soldiers who will be gone in a year? Yeah, that's worth him taking a risk for.
Economy, I'm not so worried about. Firstly, because in the long term it'll sort itself out anyway. These busts and booms always do. Secondly, the chances are that most of the advice is going to come from professionals in the economics industry, together with legislation passed by the Congress, which is going to be Democratic anyway.
Which brings up a fouth issue. In traumatic times, you want to basically keep station, not suddenly turn on a massive and different tack. We have a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and we want a Democratic President as well? Many argue that having a Republican Triumvirate wasn't exactly the best thing for the country, and suddenly Democrats having free reign is so much better? No thanks.
Which brings up a fouth issue. In traumatic times, you want to basically keep station, not suddenly turn on a massive and different tack. We have a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and we want a Democratic President as well? Many argue that having a Republican Triumvirate wasn't exactly the best thing for the country, and suddenly Democrats having free reign is so much better? No thanks.
Funny thing - Roosevelt was so popular he got elected to an unprecendented third term of office - he died during that term. But due to that popularlty - it was the Republicans that passed a 2 term limitation on the office.
Addressing a couple of issues mentioned earlier, I'm surprised to see gun control as hotly contested. Heller's been decided. Individual Right. President can't change that. People have been worried about an overturn of Roe v Wade for years, yet with a pro-life president in charge, combined with Republican House and Senate it still wasn't overturned. So even with Obama in charge, I don't see our firearms rights being eroded. They certainly can't ban them, and I strongly doubt they'd be stupid enough to pass another 1994 ban, consdering what happened to them last time. Besides, there are a lot of Democrats on the Hill from the Western and Southern States who very much like their guns, thank you very much, they're not all Schumers, Feinsteins and McCarthys (The shoulder thing that goes up!).
Rather curious as to why such extreme accusations get thrown every which way. Odd how when Bush became President, they liberals cried and whined - but that was the it of it - well until the end we now are in an unending war on two fronts and an econmy stumbled but not out.
Yet all I hear is how we're all going to die from the extreme right if Obama takes office... why such a ***** approach?
Truly if McCain had come forth and led this would be a whole different race. But it seems like it's all shock and awe tactics that seem over the top and under the gun. He could have won in my opinion if he had done what he did back in 2000.
Last edited by Palindari™; 10-27-2008 at 01:19 AM.
#223
10-27-2008, 01:48 AM
lol... McCain is notorious for making enemies at times in the wrong places. And unless you want a draft - there is no way in bloody hell America could go up against Russia in defense of Georgia - atm. Our military is spread so thin right now... it's scary. At least during Vietnam we had a draft to keep our numbers strong - not now...
Sometimes other countires conflicts are not ours... talk about your socialist agenda. We are not the world police - the UN is the closest thing to that and it took a year to convince them to start the farce in Iraq.
Yet all I hear is how we're all going to die from the extreme right if Obama takes office... why such a ***** approach?
Truly if McCain had come forth and led this would be a whole different race. But it seems like it's all shock and awe tactics that seem over the top and under the gun. He could have won in my opinion if he had done what he did back in 2000.
NTM
#224
10-27-2008, 12:24 PM
Perhaps, but you still can't argue against the fact that Obama eventually chose the same "Russia should stop its attacks" line which McCain had taken the day before. If the line is wrong, they're both wrong. If the line is right, then McCain was on the ball. And there's always that Surge thing...
McCain made it sound like if they didn't pull back we would be bumping wienies over it.
It's an interesting dilemma. On the one hand, you are correct that we aren't the world police, and if it doesn't benefit us specifically, we shouldn't do anything. Then again, what happens if something comes up which on a humanitarian basis really we should do something? Relying on the multi-national bodies is fine in theory, but they take for ever to ever come to a conclusion about anything. For the three days, or whatever it took to decide to do something about Kosovo, that was three days' worth of people who died.
Our nation couldn't even come to the aid of New Orleans when it was flooded and finally did so on almost a too little too late basis.
Actually, I'm hearing more the opposite from the Obama-supporting camp. I personally don't think an Obama presidency is going to be the end of the world. Not my first choice, but we'll get by. Yet the amount of people I come across who think that McCain is the devil incarnate and the country will go down in nuclear fire and brimstone if he wins is amazing.
lol... don't let Bogie and Ghetto know
Hey, couldn't help noticing your sig - you a 19D? (Army MOS for Cav Scout - for those wondering - unless that's changed I've been out for awhile now
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#225
10-27-2008, 12:27 PM
Everything is going to be ok when Sarah Palin gets control of the Senate. You guys don't even know!
#227
10-27-2008, 02:30 PM
Obama was a community organizer before he was in the senate. Community organizer sounds important..... even though lifeguards at the community pool are community organizers......
#228
10-27-2008, 03:32 PM
this I don't understand....
Explain to me how Sarah Palin goes from being a mayor of a town of less than 10k for 6 yrs - chairs a board for 1 - then becomes governor for 2+...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Yet Obama goes from "community organizer" to US Senator?
He did serve in the Illinois state senate as well for 6+ yrs before going to the US Senate. Wonder why everyone glosses over that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
If you look at their numbers I would say Obama has a slight lead on the experience front over Palin.
As for not voting. Every Senator has a record of not voting - some greater than others.
Here's McCain's recent record according to the Washington Post
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...mbers/m000303/
Explain to me how Sarah Palin goes from being a mayor of a town of less than 10k for 6 yrs - chairs a board for 1 - then becomes governor for 2+...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Yet Obama goes from "community organizer" to US Senator?
He did serve in the Illinois state senate as well for 6+ yrs before going to the US Senate. Wonder why everyone glosses over that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
If you look at their numbers I would say Obama has a slight lead on the experience front over Palin.
As for not voting. Every Senator has a record of not voting - some greater than others.
Here's McCain's recent record according to the Washington Post
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...mbers/m000303/
Last edited by Palindari™; 10-27-2008 at 04:04 PM.
#230
10-27-2008, 04:44 PM
With less than 2 weeks to go until election day, she was under the impression that the VP is in charge of the senate. She's a decent motivational speaker, but not a lot more than that. Now that she is going through a rebelious period after being programed and protected from the media for so long, she is going to just look like a desperate motivational speaker. This state governor obviously has a greater handicap on domestic and foreign affairs when compared to basically any other potential vp pick. It was all about the hillary vote. McCain chose poorly.