View Poll Results: Obama or McCain?
Obama/Biden
58
56.86%
McCain/Palin
44
43.14%
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*------Election 2008------*
#212
i could never vote for obama, just cant do it dont like the guy never have he does not impress me. and all us white boys will be called racist if we dont vote for him so were screwed again cause mcain aint much better but i would nail sarah like a jungle samoan head hunter. bring back bill clinton please
#214
One of the McCain voters here. Though Obama supporters need not worry, I'm in California so it won't count for much.
I'll be the first to admit that the Republicans deserve to lose this one. They started out well by selecting the candidate they thought was most likely to win, namely a moderate. On the other hand, hoping to run on a campaign slogan of "We're not Bush" (which I think is seriously problematic), the Democrats seem to have selected the candidate they most wanted on the basis that even a monkey would get into office. Hence they chose from the further left of the spectrum. Can anyone please tell me what was wrong with a moderate like Richardson? I'd have voted for him. As would my wife. Now with that candidate gone, we're splitting, she's going Obama, I'm going McCain. In any case, the Republican campaign strategy has gone seriously off the rails. The smear attacks just aren't what they should be doing. I don't want to hear about Ayers and some wild exaggerations about palling around with the folk. Tell us about your policies and what you'll do. That total spending freeze would be a good idea for starters in my opinion, but more importantly, it actually tells us something about what you plan! Beats the hell out of making vague generalisations and trying to score useless points.
However, despite the McCain campaign's incredibly successful attempts to turn away independents like myself, I still prefer the McCain person (as opposed to the McCain Campaign) over the Obama person (as opposed to the Obama Campaign) for President. Several reasons for this.
Firstly, yes, I think experience counts. McCain has it in droves, and I'll argue more than even Biden in practical terms.
Secondly, foreign policy. This not the 1930s where the US can chart its own course alone. Interactions with other countries must be handled both to one's friends and partners, and with authority to others. The contrast between McCain's response and Obama's response over the Georgia gig is illuminating. McCain came out with a position straight away. Obama vaccilated for two days before, after three statements, basically coming to the same position as McCain had taken.
Third, Iraq. It's not a matter of 'winning' and 'losing', and it's certainly got nothing to do if we should have gone in in the first place, it's now a matter of what sort of place we're leaving behind. A departure on our own schedule is about as caring towards the locals as our decision to invade the place. I won't say I made many Iraqi friends, but I got to know enough of them well enough that I think it would be immoral to just up and leave them to whatever comes. Certainly Petraeus was not exactly brimming with confidence after his meeting with Obama a couple of months ago in Iraq, and Obama's stated intents have been causing us no end of trouble in Iraq over the last year. You know how hard it is to get an Iraqi to trust you when he's watching CNN and the news is telling him that he could be making deals with soldiers who will be gone in a year? Yeah, that's worth him taking a risk for.
Economy, I'm not so worried about. Firstly, because in the long term it'll sort itself out anyway. These busts and booms always do. Secondly, the chances are that most of the advice is going to come from professionals in the economics industry, together with legislation passed by the Congress, which is going to be Democratic anyway.
Which brings up a fouth issue. In traumatic times, you want to basically keep station, not suddenly turn on a massive and different tack. We have a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and we want a Democratic President as well? Many argue that having a Republican Triumvirate wasn't exactly the best thing for the country, and suddenly Democrats having free reign is so much better? No thanks.
Addressing a couple of issues mentioned earlier, I'm surprised to see gun control as hotly contested. Heller's been decided. Individual Right. President can't change that. People have been worried about an overturn of Roe v Wade for years, yet with a pro-life president in charge, combined with Republican House and Senate it still wasn't overturned. So even with Obama in charge, I don't see our firearms rights being eroded. They certainly can't ban them, and I strongly doubt they'd be stupid enough to pass another 1994 ban, consdering what happened to them last time. Besides, there are a lot of Democrats on the Hill from the Western and Southern States who very much like their guns, thank you very much, they're not all Schumers, Feinsteins and McCarthys (The shoulder thing that goes up!).
As for healthcare, socialised healthcare isn't necessarily all it's cracked up to be either. I'm from Ireland, a good socialised country. Education system's pretty good, and free. But go to a site like Boards.ie and start up a thread saying "How can we in the US get a healthcare system like you have in Ireland?" and prepare to be laughed off the forum. Absolutely the US system needs a bit of fixing, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
NTM
I'll be the first to admit that the Republicans deserve to lose this one. They started out well by selecting the candidate they thought was most likely to win, namely a moderate. On the other hand, hoping to run on a campaign slogan of "We're not Bush" (which I think is seriously problematic), the Democrats seem to have selected the candidate they most wanted on the basis that even a monkey would get into office. Hence they chose from the further left of the spectrum. Can anyone please tell me what was wrong with a moderate like Richardson? I'd have voted for him. As would my wife. Now with that candidate gone, we're splitting, she's going Obama, I'm going McCain. In any case, the Republican campaign strategy has gone seriously off the rails. The smear attacks just aren't what they should be doing. I don't want to hear about Ayers and some wild exaggerations about palling around with the folk. Tell us about your policies and what you'll do. That total spending freeze would be a good idea for starters in my opinion, but more importantly, it actually tells us something about what you plan! Beats the hell out of making vague generalisations and trying to score useless points.
However, despite the McCain campaign's incredibly successful attempts to turn away independents like myself, I still prefer the McCain person (as opposed to the McCain Campaign) over the Obama person (as opposed to the Obama Campaign) for President. Several reasons for this.
Firstly, yes, I think experience counts. McCain has it in droves, and I'll argue more than even Biden in practical terms.
Secondly, foreign policy. This not the 1930s where the US can chart its own course alone. Interactions with other countries must be handled both to one's friends and partners, and with authority to others. The contrast between McCain's response and Obama's response over the Georgia gig is illuminating. McCain came out with a position straight away. Obama vaccilated for two days before, after three statements, basically coming to the same position as McCain had taken.
Third, Iraq. It's not a matter of 'winning' and 'losing', and it's certainly got nothing to do if we should have gone in in the first place, it's now a matter of what sort of place we're leaving behind. A departure on our own schedule is about as caring towards the locals as our decision to invade the place. I won't say I made many Iraqi friends, but I got to know enough of them well enough that I think it would be immoral to just up and leave them to whatever comes. Certainly Petraeus was not exactly brimming with confidence after his meeting with Obama a couple of months ago in Iraq, and Obama's stated intents have been causing us no end of trouble in Iraq over the last year. You know how hard it is to get an Iraqi to trust you when he's watching CNN and the news is telling him that he could be making deals with soldiers who will be gone in a year? Yeah, that's worth him taking a risk for.
Economy, I'm not so worried about. Firstly, because in the long term it'll sort itself out anyway. These busts and booms always do. Secondly, the chances are that most of the advice is going to come from professionals in the economics industry, together with legislation passed by the Congress, which is going to be Democratic anyway.
Which brings up a fouth issue. In traumatic times, you want to basically keep station, not suddenly turn on a massive and different tack. We have a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and we want a Democratic President as well? Many argue that having a Republican Triumvirate wasn't exactly the best thing for the country, and suddenly Democrats having free reign is so much better? No thanks.
Addressing a couple of issues mentioned earlier, I'm surprised to see gun control as hotly contested. Heller's been decided. Individual Right. President can't change that. People have been worried about an overturn of Roe v Wade for years, yet with a pro-life president in charge, combined with Republican House and Senate it still wasn't overturned. So even with Obama in charge, I don't see our firearms rights being eroded. They certainly can't ban them, and I strongly doubt they'd be stupid enough to pass another 1994 ban, consdering what happened to them last time. Besides, there are a lot of Democrats on the Hill from the Western and Southern States who very much like their guns, thank you very much, they're not all Schumers, Feinsteins and McCarthys (The shoulder thing that goes up!).
As for healthcare, socialised healthcare isn't necessarily all it's cracked up to be either. I'm from Ireland, a good socialised country. Education system's pretty good, and free. But go to a site like Boards.ie and start up a thread saying "How can we in the US get a healthcare system like you have in Ireland?" and prepare to be laughed off the forum. Absolutely the US system needs a bit of fixing, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
NTM
#215
From his accident thread...all who think headshock favors socialism as a "noble" cause.
He follows to close, doesn't pay attention, hits the van/car in front of him, and says it's not his fault. The same mentality keeps the poor in the USA poor - blame their situation on someone else...
Where's this boy headed now? .... Cuba. Go figure.
He follows to close, doesn't pay attention, hits the van/car in front of him, and says it's not his fault. The same mentality keeps the poor in the USA poor - blame their situation on someone else...
Where's this boy headed now? .... Cuba. Go figure.
Too bad I wasn't on your property, or you could get off by bustin a cap all up in my ***. That'd make your day, I bet.
So how's it feel knowing you're part of a minority now? Looks like Obama has this one, so you can cry and snivel for the next 4 years. Oh wait, you're too tough for that... and you can keep touching that wad of cash in your pocket to perk yourself up. You're so cool.
Last edited by headshok2002; 10-26-2008 at 11:06 AM.
#216
So how's it feel knowing you're part of a minority now? Looks like Obama has this one, so you can cry and snivel for the next 4 years. Oh wait, you're too tough for that... and you can keep touching that wad of cash in your pocket to perk yourself up. You're so cool.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s6/chart_race.html
#217
LOL, they all have a lot of breeding to do to catch up.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s6/chart_race.html
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s6/chart_race.html
Thanks for the link though, you've always got one or two up your sleeve.
#218
Next time be more clear.
#220
I didn't know
...hahaaa that was the dumbest comment ever in history.... EVER.
(I will be voting McCain) - I don't believe in a democrasy.