hello
first off im new to this forum but a veteran to the automotive world and forums so please no replys telling me to use the search button for answers as i have and didnt get the info i was looking for.i just recently decided to get rid of my current project car (nissan skyline) and another one of my carsto buya tt coupe 225 as its the car i havewanted for years but i got coughtbythe high powered nissan RWD bug lol.. anyways enough of that ..my question is how does the stage 3+ compare to a stock tt 225 please i want real world experiance not what you read or heard ... im ina toss up right now on weather or not i will just install the kit and complimenting parts or go with a chip and bolt ons ... im looking for reliability and drivability a car thats fun yet civilized for daily driving ... im comming from a 400+HP skyline thats quite a hand full to drive and to be honestim sick of the car ... i love the power and speed but ive grown out of the stipped down uncomfortable cars that jar evey bone and organ when you drive down the road and want the class and comfort of an audi but still the fun of quick runs on the strip every now and then and still able to have my fun on the twistys every day as i do now ....

id like answers from people with chipped cars with bolt ons and what kind of 1/4 mile times well fun factor from 1-10 and what your mods are and i would like some answers from people with the full out stage 3+ cars that still act and run like a stock tt from a reality standpoint ... id like ot hear your stories as well ... 1/4mile and fun factor etc .....


cheers
clet

looking forward to your replys and hopefully i can inturn help out with replys to others questions that i can answer or add some input..

 

well i have never driven the stage 3 from apr but i have talked with gregg(wrks for apr) and of course this is his unbiased opinion...the apr kits have the strongest pulls and smoothest powerband all the way to redline..like i said i have no idea...but take my car..look at my mods..without the water/meth i can walk an STI. granted i think it was stock but still..also have ran with an evo who had 4 passanegers and i had zero...i was in the lead ...idk sti and evo have very nice low end power but kinda dirt top end...my TT pulls way harder on the highway in those higher rpms

 

I guess you should of got a GT-R and not a GT-S

But anyways, a APR kit is fine, but is overpriced/underpowered compared to whats availble from other companies. The gt2871r is a nice street turbo, it gets to 20+ psi around 3500rpms and is capable or 320awhp on pump and over 350awhp on race.

You can get a pagparts kit for a little cheaper along with a tune from unitronic or eurodyne (tapp) and psi for psi, they will outperform the apr kit. Not to mention you can get any turbo you want with whatever tubine housing to meet your needs. Also, the gt2871r on pump is at the breaking point of the stock rods, to max it out you will need to install some nice H-beam rods from scat.

There have been many chipped and bolt on 225's in the 13's, but not to many APR guys getting much lower times. The people shedding out the cash are the ones that cant seem to drive.

edit, oh yeah, all this has been covered and would be in a search. There was a simular topic about apr not even 2 months ago. Not to mention 2 large threads on top of the forum

 

You searched? O rly?

Check thesee.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3388566
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3489303

There's only one person on here that I know of who has a III+ car, I can't think of his name
offhand (the white TT with blacked out tails and major dark tint all around sitting on some $4000 rims or something like that). It's more useful looking on Vortex. Go to the 1.8T section and you'll find lots about the APR kit.

Apart from RoNn up there I know Marcus (Qu!cksilva) has stage III+.

You're definitely right, but if you're one of those people who doesn't mind paying more for reliability, APR's a good choice. The extra money you spend is because of the extra money they spend testing everything to keep it from being troublesome. Plus they have very nice warranty coverage on all their stuff. Not that I would personally choose them, but that's what they're good for.

 

wait wha? i dunno man, im assuming if you haven't upgraded your turbo, even with fully bolted-on 225, not sure it can keep up wtih a stock evo 8. let alone an evo 9.

now for the STi... ive yet to see that. but i still think a stock STi will take it.

$.02

 

ummm no...either they both cant drive or im just faster...and yes i have driven the STI and mine pulls harder. and like i said the evo had 4 people in it..thats a lot of extra weight. i assume both were stock

 

thanks for the replys so far guys keep em comming : ) ... cincytt lolyea i get that all the time ... i like the gts-t because its lighter and rear wheel drive...my carhas the gtr (rb26)bottom end in the rb20 engine (crank and rods and mr2 pistons) so its a stroked rb20 to 2.4L... its capable of 600+ hp with tuningbut even at 20 lbs of boost its too scary to drive on the streetslol kinda growing out of that foolishness now ... and the woman hates the car .. even a 10min ride here in town is hell : )

the price is not really a problem i want reliability ..and something that is a simple install .. well simple for someone who has been building cars and turning wrenches for years ... but id rather something that includes the injectors and the ecu maping to pretty much plug and play ... tired of fooling around with turning and there isnt a awd dyno here nor is there anyone really able to tune a car properly im trying to get away from all the fooling around... ill read into a few of those other kits you mentioned cincyTT .....

and thanks for the links to the vwvortex forums .... and i guess i didnt look hard enough when i searched here lol sorry guys ... but many thanks again for your input ...

 

I'm chipped with all the bolt-ons besides W/M. Car pulls great constantly and boosts to 22-23. I have never taken her to the track or have had it dyno'ed (only butt dyno'ed which gives me fantastic readings and feedback) so I don't have any personal numbers. I do know this, I still want more, it's decently fast and fun but....it needs more power. Mine isn'ta daily driver just a play car. My last toy was an old97 eclipse spyder GS-T with a big turbo kit on it.I too am looking into the APR kit. I know that there are cheaper kits out there as cincy mentioned but I like all the R&D that APR has done and it comes with everything you need and a warranty to boot! I would have to ditch my FMIC and 3" downpipe for the ones that come with the APR kit but I could sell those and re-coupe some money back.

The power I have gotten from the bolt-ons are great! I've spent just about 3K in bolt-ons, not including suspension and wheels over the last year. The power they give is fun and it is easier convincing the wife for stuff here and there instead of 8K at once (she already caught me looking at turbo kit's for the 08 Civic Si coupe I just picked up but that's another story!) I have only owned the 225q since late Jan of 07. The TT will be paid off next month so I plan on going big turbo hopefully sometime this year. No sense in splurging that much on a kit now when I can just pay the bugger off.

If you do get the TT and throw the kit on it stay around and post about the experience and your install. I'm interested in hearing about it.

 

I always wanted a GT-S 4 door personally. But that day will never come. Maybe a new US Slyline coming soon.

Honestly, with your wrenching skills, i would never get a APR kit. You can get a pagparts kit with the tial vband housing that makes install much easier and removes about 5lbs from a gt30 turbine housing. The other option would be a full race setup with a lifetime warrenty tubular manifold. Both you can get with all the hardware and pagparts can supply all the remaining items from injectors, sw tuning, and any bolts etc. If you look in the BT and High performace sticky on top of the forum, you can see what each turbo is putting down and what all is needed to make good power. This should help you decide on a setup best for you.

 

What about this tho....drool! [8D]

http://www.nissanusa.com/gt-r/