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Forge 007 or APR R1?

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Old 10-14-2007 | 06:26 PM
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Default RE: Forge 007 or APR R1?

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PLEASE explain to us how a DV can foul spark plugs..... PLEASE...
An 006 is the same damn thing as a 007, just a bigger andslightly older design. Deffinate coincidence.
x2. i have a 006 and it works great. very little clearance between it and the fan but oh well lol

And what the **** is up with people blaming other things for killing coil packs?! Coil packs just die sometimes, it happens. More so on some types than others. There is no mod or other part under the hood that is going to kill a coil pack.... Damn.
a chip will increase the chance of blowing them (especially stock ones) but yeah no way a dv is gona cause your coil pack to blow
 
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Old 10-14-2007 | 06:36 PM
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a chip will increase the chance of blowing them (especially stock ones)
Voltage to the coil packs isnt increased with a chip or any other mod... I just want to make that clear. The only other factor is heat, which is plausible. The fact is, AEB and newer B6 engine code coil packs are the very most unreliable and known to fail. In other words, if you dont have Hitachi coil packs, buy a spare set regardless of if you have a chip or not.
 
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Old 10-14-2007 | 09:31 PM
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I like how people think packs fail when chipped. This is the only forum i have read that claim. I would put money and lots of it that people dont gap the plugs down to .028 nor get a heat range colder plug and still wonder why they keep getting misfires with new plugs/packs
 
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Old 10-14-2007 | 10:02 PM
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Yeah unfortunately some members make up some bull **** theoriesbecause they happen to know a little something about a little soemthing. Its easy for a fool to fool a fool.
I think its just that people get on here and learn a few things and then assume theyve got it all figured out and can assosiate things to other things and eventually its all just a cluster **** of bad information... Thats when the ****** come in.
 
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Old 10-15-2007 | 11:59 AM
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ORIGINAL: cincyTT

warrienty = push
faster response = r1
maintence = r1 (none needed)
adjustablility =r1 (none needed)
durability = 007
proven = 007

warranty = I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we have absolutely everyone beat on this

faster response = in theory but not proven, if the spring tension used in the valve is greater than ours then the slightly decreased weight of the diaphragm is not a factor. Also the relationship between the surface area on either side of the piston/diaphragm is more important than the weight of the component itself. Also, guess what, fast response isn't always good. If the valve responds too fast than drivability goes to crap during boost to vacuum transitions and during partial throttle conditions.

maintence = Regardless of marketing, there are points of failure with any product. Servicing our valve periodically is NOT necessary but it absolutely will prevent you from ever being in a situation where our valve has failed on you.

adjustability =r1 (none needed) Absolutely disproved by units shipped with the incorrect spring, if spring tension were not an issue this would not have mattered. There is no magic spring that will work equally well in all situations, choosing one that works acceptably in a broad range of applications is nothing more than a compromise. Our design allows you the choice.

durability = 007

proven = 007



 
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Old 10-15-2007 | 12:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: neilsa4

I removed my forge dv, & replaced it with a R1 as it cost me nothing thru a sale, & did this because thru years of working on all sorts of valves I have found diaphram valves usually only fail if they are in a caustic envoirment which heated air isn't. Kept my forge for spare just in case, hey it's better than stock.
Diaphragms usually fail from a combination of flexing during normal use, expanding and contracting due to temperature changes (heated air), and by exposure to oil in the intake system (caustic).
 
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Old 10-15-2007 | 12:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: cincyTT

why would you want a valve you have to maintain? Plus the R1 has seen over 40psi without failure on some 1.8t's without problems.

Im staying with my 004 beecause i love it to much to change..... that is until i finally get my BT, then the TurboXS R34 is going on the 1.8t. Nothing like a 34mm valve over a 25mm one.
You don't need to maintain you car either and it will more than likely last longer than how long you will own it. However, I do feel better changing my oil every so often. Our valve will stand up to far more than 40 psi without failure.

When the time comes for the 34mm valve let me know, I have a 40mm valve for you to try if you are interested.


 
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Old 10-15-2007 | 01:56 PM
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When the time comes for the 34mm valve let me know, I have a 40mm valve for you to try if you are interested.


Its a turboXS R34 from my turbo Lancer and it will go on when i get my car back with it stroked to 2008cc and new fmic in the next month or so. And you know im a valve ***** and always willing to run a new valve.
 
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Old 10-15-2007 | 04:39 PM
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I have stated it before and ill say it again. The problem is that some were sent out with the wrong spring on the R1. Once it is changed, it performs very well.
i didnt have any upgraded DV so it wasnt like a traded in a forge for the R1 but i reasoned between them both and i like the fact the R1 didnt need maintinence..... and i didnt have to swap springs as a went from stock to 1+ to 3+

with that being said, my first R1 tore on my 1+ test drive after my flash... APRs customer service was somewhat lacking because i spoke with them several times about boost issues or programming glitch/mistake and they never mentioned defective R1s and it mooed!

however when i removed it and noticed the tear, i called them and explained my dissapointment and they took very good care of me so im happy with them now and i have a new R1 in for about a week now that doesnt moo and performs flawlessly and i dont think ill ever have to take it back out for anything.....

yes many people on the 'Zine had problems since we were the first to get them and someone did a huge group buy for $125 i think but those were all the ones with the wrong spring....

so i do love my new R1 and would highly recommend it, but i would buy it from APR directly and talk to keith and just explain you heard about the defective ones and u want to make sure it doesnt moo/tear!

just like cincy said.. all the new ones are perfect... several people on the Zine have been tracking with them several weekends in a row with APR 3+s and no problems!

and its a few milliseconds quicker and u never have to lube it up
 
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Old 10-15-2007 | 05:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: Papachristou

APRs customer service was somewhat lacking because i spoke with them several times about boost issues or programming glitch/mistake and they never mentioned defective R1s and it mooed!
Apr vs FOrge in customer service, Forge wins out by a mile and then some.
 



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